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	<title>Comments for Engage | West Third Group</title>
	<link>http://greg-brooks.com</link>
	<description>Marketing &#124; PR &#124; Rainmaking &#124; Management</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Smart PR recruiting from Fleishman-Hillard by Embracing Blogging at F-H &#124; Valley PR Blog</title>
		<link>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/smart-pr-recruiting-from-fleishman-hillard/#comment-174</link>
		<author>Embracing Blogging at F-H &#124; Valley PR Blog</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post on Greg Brooks&#8217; site about the extent to which staffers and recruiters at Fleischman-Hillard are blogging in order to attract both clients AND [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Marketing: What to outsource, what to keep in house by Greg Brooks</title>
		<link>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/marketing-what-to-outsource-what-to-keep-in-house/#comment-100</link>
		<author>Greg Brooks</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/marketing-what-to-outsource-what-to-keep-in-house/#comment-100</guid>
		<description>Gini, I think you're right -- for certain industries and certain types of media. The problem comes when we generalize too much.

Take the consumer products company that wants a mention on Oprah -- it's ridiculous for them to try and tackle something like that without professional counsel because there are agencies that have been through that particular wringer before and, to your point, have the relationships that can make a huge difference.

Now, let's look at a different example: An industrial manufacturer. They sell arcane, nearly commoditized products through a network of sales reps and independent distributors, and when they do bother to do PR, the stuff is usually run verbatim (or nearly so) as product news in trade pubs. An in-house person is going to be much, much more effective in a situation like that for a couple of reasons:

* They wouldn't need a learning curve for determining what does and doesn't matter in the industry; and

* The quality of relationships with reporters and editors matters a lot less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gini, I think you&#8217;re right &#8212; for certain industries and certain types of media. The problem comes when we generalize too much.</p>
<p>Take the consumer products company that wants a mention on Oprah &#8212; it&#8217;s ridiculous for them to try and tackle something like that without professional counsel because there are agencies that have been through that particular wringer before and, to your point, have the relationships that can make a huge difference.</p>
<p>Now, let&#8217;s look at a different example: An industrial manufacturer. They sell arcane, nearly commoditized products through a network of sales reps and independent distributors, and when they do bother to do PR, the stuff is usually run verbatim (or nearly so) as product news in trade pubs. An in-house person is going to be much, much more effective in a situation like that for a couple of reasons:</p>
<p>* They wouldn&#8217;t need a learning curve for determining what does and doesn&#8217;t matter in the industry; and</p>
<p>* The quality of relationships with reporters and editors matters a lot less.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Marketing: What to outsource, what to keep in house by Gini</title>
		<link>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/marketing-what-to-outsource-what-to-keep-in-house/#comment-99</link>
		<author>Gini</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/marketing-what-to-outsource-what-to-keep-in-house/#comment-99</guid>
		<description>Greg - This is great, but I don't agree on your media relations assessment.  As we all know, media relations is all about relationships.  And if you don't have the relationship, it's nearly impossible to get your news covered. A PR firm has relationships with reporters in very specific industries and it is a lot more cost effective and efficient to outsource media relations.  Plus people who work with reporters all day, every day, know what news is and know how to get it covered, while most in-house PR people want all of the company news covered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg - This is great, but I don&#8217;t agree on your media relations assessment.  As we all know, media relations is all about relationships.  And if you don&#8217;t have the relationship, it&#8217;s nearly impossible to get your news covered. A PR firm has relationships with reporters in very specific industries and it is a lot more cost effective and efficient to outsource media relations.  Plus people who work with reporters all day, every day, know what news is and know how to get it covered, while most in-house PR people want all of the company news covered.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The evolution of a PR firm by Greg Brooks</title>
		<link>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-evolution-of-a-pr-firm/#comment-95</link>
		<author>Greg Brooks</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-evolution-of-a-pr-firm/#comment-95</guid>
		<description>Chuck, thanks for the clarification! I still think you're doing some things very, very right with how your product offerings are structured and therein lie some lessons for PR shops.

Best of luck with your endeavors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck, thanks for the clarification! I still think you&#8217;re doing some things very, very right with how your product offerings are structured and therein lie some lessons for PR shops.</p>
<p>Best of luck with your endeavors!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The evolution of a PR firm by Chuck Longanecker</title>
		<link>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-evolution-of-a-pr-firm/#comment-94</link>
		<author>Chuck Longanecker</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-evolution-of-a-pr-firm/#comment-94</guid>
		<description>Hi Greg,

Thanks for your insights.  Just to clarify, we actually were a digital marketing agency before this new direction.  The TC article was slightly inaccurate with those details.  We had worked on about ten web 2.0 applications for clients and ourselves before the switch, so we are well versed with the process.  

We also already had a team of designers, marketers and business professionals to take on the job. So the transition was actually easier than you might have thought.  

However, much like a PR agency, we were always pitching services, writing long proposals, customizing everything.  I have to say, the product based approach is a nice change as is defining prices and timelines ahead of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>Thanks for your insights.  Just to clarify, we actually were a digital marketing agency before this new direction.  The TC article was slightly inaccurate with those details.  We had worked on about ten web 2.0 applications for clients and ourselves before the switch, so we are well versed with the process.  </p>
<p>We also already had a team of designers, marketers and business professionals to take on the job. So the transition was actually easier than you might have thought.  </p>
<p>However, much like a PR agency, we were always pitching services, writing long proposals, customizing everything.  I have to say, the product based approach is a nice change as is defining prices and timelines ahead of time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Writing RFPs for PR or marketing engagements: a guide for clients by David Kutcher</title>
		<link>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/writing-rfps-for-pr-or-marketing-engagements-a-guide-for-clients/#comment-76</link>
		<author>David Kutcher</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/writing-rfps-for-pr-or-marketing-engagements-a-guide-for-clients/#comment-76</guid>
		<description>I know this is an older post, but I caught your comments at MPDailyFix and followed them here.  I recently wrote an article on CIO's website which I have copied to my &lt;a href="http://rfpdb.blogspot.com/2007/09/raise-your-rfp-roi.html" title="RFPdb blog" rel="nofollow"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt; regarding how to increase your RFP ROI (by being selective), but also wanted to pass along a link to a site I run that I feel is relevant: the &lt;a href="http://www.rfpdb.com" title="RFP Database" rel="nofollow"&gt;RFP Database&lt;/a&gt;.  Whether you're looking for sample RFPs, a place to post your RFP to gain bids, or RFPs to bid on yourself, it's all there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is an older post, but I caught your comments at MPDailyFix and followed them here.  I recently wrote an article on CIO&#8217;s website which I have copied to my <a href="http://rfpdb.blogspot.com/2007/09/raise-your-rfp-roi.html" title="RFPdb blog">blog</a> regarding how to increase your RFP ROI (by being selective), but also wanted to pass along a link to a site I run that I feel is relevant: the <a href="http://www.rfpdb.com" title="RFP Database">RFP Database</a>.  Whether you&#8217;re looking for sample RFPs, a place to post your RFP to gain bids, or RFPs to bid on yourself, it&#8217;s all there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The one-minute media relations guide by Colin McKay</title>
		<link>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-one-minute-media-relations-guide/#comment-73</link>
		<author>Colin McKay</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-one-minute-media-relations-guide/#comment-73</guid>
		<description>@mike

Why is the only visual I'm getting in my head that of Gordon Gekko, wandering around his office talking to the air in a very authoritative voice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mike</p>
<p>Why is the only visual I&#8217;m getting in my head that of Gordon Gekko, wandering around his office talking to the air in a very authoritative voice?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The one-minute media relations guide by Mike Driehorst</title>
		<link>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-one-minute-media-relations-guide/#comment-72</link>
		<author>Mike Driehorst</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-one-minute-media-relations-guide/#comment-72</guid>
		<description>I'd add (and this is not original; read it elsewhere), if you are giving a telephone interview, don't sit at your desk. Put the call on speaker or have a headset. Walk around.

The rationale is that your messages will flow more freely, and your personality will be better reflected in the tone of your voice.
-- Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d add (and this is not original; read it elsewhere), if you are giving a telephone interview, don&#8217;t sit at your desk. Put the call on speaker or have a headset. Walk around.</p>
<p>The rationale is that your messages will flow more freely, and your personality will be better reflected in the tone of your voice.<br />
&#8211; Mike</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Friday outline: A basic lead-segmentation process by Greg Brooks</title>
		<link>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-friday-outline-a-basic-lead-segmentation-process/#comment-71</link>
		<author>Greg Brooks</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-friday-outline-a-basic-lead-segmentation-process/#comment-71</guid>
		<description>Well, hell -- I can hardly let a great question like that go unanswered, can I? :)

I'd argue that competitors' existing customers fall right into the funnel at the contacts level -- the only difference is that you may already have some of the knowledge you need to move them further down the pipleline.

In commoditized markets (and it's a little irritating how often small shops in the marketing/PR world sell on that basis, but that's another story!), the only differentiator is price. In sales organizations, there's always a pretty significant percentage of the sales force that can never see past price and they're always coming to management with a deal that they *know* can get done, if only we can budge on price.

Those people need to be fired. :) But that's another topic...

Assuming the market's not commoditized, you have to do due dilligence to figure out where the pain point is. No vendor is flawless, and even happy clients will let themselves talk about what a "perfect" solution looks like -- that's where you figure out the basis on which to nab those customers.

I hate selling on price and think the customers you land via that method are usually short-term wins. However, I've seen plenty of folks (in my industry and others) sell on price *only* when they are trying to win work away from a competitor. Their logic goes something like this:

a.) The customer is happy, so the quickest/easiest way to get their attention is via price.

b.) This is an incremental win for us, worth more for bragging rights ("we're the industry leader!") than for the actual dollar value of the work.

c.) Accepting lower margins is fine if it's a key win away from a competitor that weakens them in the marketplace.

Not sure I agree with that all the time, but I can see how it makes sense sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, hell &#8212; I can hardly let a great question like that go unanswered, can I? <img src='http://greg-brooks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;d argue that competitors&#8217; existing customers fall right into the funnel at the contacts level &#8212; the only difference is that you may already have some of the knowledge you need to move them further down the pipleline.</p>
<p>In commoditized markets (and it&#8217;s a little irritating how often small shops in the marketing/PR world sell on that basis, but that&#8217;s another story!), the only differentiator is price. In sales organizations, there&#8217;s always a pretty significant percentage of the sales force that can never see past price and they&#8217;re always coming to management with a deal that they *know* can get done, if only we can budge on price.</p>
<p>Those people need to be fired. <img src='http://greg-brooks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> But that&#8217;s another topic&#8230;</p>
<p>Assuming the market&#8217;s not commoditized, you have to do due dilligence to figure out where the pain point is. No vendor is flawless, and even happy clients will let themselves talk about what a &#8220;perfect&#8221; solution looks like &#8212; that&#8217;s where you figure out the basis on which to nab those customers.</p>
<p>I hate selling on price and think the customers you land via that method are usually short-term wins. However, I&#8217;ve seen plenty of folks (in my industry and others) sell on price *only* when they are trying to win work away from a competitor. Their logic goes something like this:</p>
<p>a.) The customer is happy, so the quickest/easiest way to get their attention is via price.</p>
<p>b.) This is an incremental win for us, worth more for bragging rights (&#8221;we&#8217;re the industry leader!&#8221;) than for the actual dollar value of the work.</p>
<p>c.) Accepting lower margins is fine if it&#8217;s a key win away from a competitor that weakens them in the marketplace.</p>
<p>Not sure I agree with that all the time, but I can see how it makes sense sometimes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Friday outline: A basic lead-segmentation process by Andrew Graham</title>
		<link>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-friday-outline-a-basic-lead-segmentation-process/#comment-70</link>
		<author>Andrew Graham</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-friday-outline-a-basic-lead-segmentation-process/#comment-70</guid>
		<description>Alright, I'll bite: stealing customers -- there isn't a category that competitors' customers fall into. 

Assume there's a very small universe of customers buying what you're selling. Further assume that most of those customers are perfectly happy with their existing relationship. But you want those customers. 

Competitors' customers are not-entirely-cold leads. How can they be swung? Reputation? Referral? Monetary incentives? And how are companies approaching them (besides very carefully)? 

Broad question, I know, but every time a good post goes without comments, a kitten dies :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, I&#8217;ll bite: stealing customers &#8212; there isn&#8217;t a category that competitors&#8217; customers fall into. </p>
<p>Assume there&#8217;s a very small universe of customers buying what you&#8217;re selling. Further assume that most of those customers are perfectly happy with their existing relationship. But you want those customers. </p>
<p>Competitors&#8217; customers are not-entirely-cold leads. How can they be swung? Reputation? Referral? Monetary incentives? And how are companies approaching them (besides very carefully)? </p>
<p>Broad question, I know, but every time a good post goes without comments, a kitten dies <img src='http://greg-brooks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Friday outline, part 1: Creating a great new-business proposal by Raj Sodhi</title>
		<link>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-friday-outline-part-1-creating-a-great-new-business-proposal/#comment-63</link>
		<author>Raj Sodhi</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-friday-outline-part-1-creating-a-great-new-business-proposal/#comment-63</guid>
		<description>Hi Greg,

I would also appreciate any knowledge you can share on the unusual format that has a high return ratio.

Thanks,

-Raj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>I would also appreciate any knowledge you can share on the unusual format that has a high return ratio.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>-Raj</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Friday outline, part 1: Creating a great new-business proposal by Anne</title>
		<link>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-friday-outline-part-1-creating-a-great-new-business-proposal/#comment-51</link>
		<author>Anne</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/the-friday-outline-part-1-creating-a-great-new-business-proposal/#comment-51</guid>
		<description>Hey Greg,
I'm embarking on my first company proposal, and would appreciate learning the secret to your unusual format that has a high return.
Thanks,
Anne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Greg,<br />
I&#8217;m embarking on my first company proposal, and would appreciate learning the secret to your unusual format that has a high return.<br />
Thanks,<br />
Anne</p>
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		<title>Comment on Business development 101: It&#8217;s a lot like dating by Gini</title>
		<link>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/business-development-101-its-a-lot-like-dating/#comment-41</link>
		<author>Gini</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 02:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/business-development-101-its-a-lot-like-dating/#comment-41</guid>
		<description>Love this analogy - think it's very clever!  We always say in our new business meetings, "Let's date first...then we can decide if we want to get married."  People typically respond really well to that.  It allows us to test out each other and see if we really do want to work together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this analogy - think it&#8217;s very clever!  We always say in our new business meetings, &#8220;Let&#8217;s date first&#8230;then we can decide if we want to get married.&#8221;  People typically respond really well to that.  It allows us to test out each other and see if we really do want to work together.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two approaches to media relations by Colin McKay</title>
		<link>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/two-approaches-to-media-relations/#comment-40</link>
		<author>Colin McKay</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/two-approaches-to-media-relations/#comment-40</guid>
		<description>Or maybe you're the John Rocker of "pitching" - the crowd gets electrified just knowing you're shuffling out to the mound. It might be an electrifying performance, or he may just blow off some inappropriate steam after the game.

Either way, a reporter will show up for the show.

That's the world national politicians and Fortune 1000 executives live in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe you&#8217;re the John Rocker of &#8220;pitching&#8221; - the crowd gets electrified just knowing you&#8217;re shuffling out to the mound. It might be an electrifying performance, or he may just blow off some inappropriate steam after the game.</p>
<p>Either way, a reporter will show up for the show.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the world national politicians and Fortune 1000 executives live in.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two approaches to media relations by Kevin Dugan</title>
		<link>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/two-approaches-to-media-relations/#comment-38</link>
		<author>Kevin Dugan</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 06:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://greg-brooks.com/2007/two-approaches-to-media-relations/#comment-38</guid>
		<description>So good to have you back sir.</description>
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